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Dick Zigun's State of Coney Island Notes
Sep 05
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, 2008, 11:02am
The following are Dick Zigun's notes from his July 20th State of Coney Island Address.
· Original CIDC Strategic Plan first of all, did no harm, and second of all did good via increasing current outdoor rides by an acre, trading “air rights” in Coney North and West in exchange for ground floor revitalization, commitment of south of Surf between Cyclone and Keyspan as a revitalized year round tourist attraction. Plan had NO amusement industry experts whatsoever but had balance and merit even though a bitter pill to swallow for amusement park advocates.
· First draft EIS shocked us when it backed off ground floor entertainment retail in Coney’s North and West resulting in a condo land-grab taking 2/3rds of the 61 acres not to mention apartheid retail that will harm Mermaid Avenue merchants.
· Second draft EIS reduced open amusements parkland from 15 acres to 9 acres a 40% reduction and a shrinkage of current acreage which violated the “first, do no harm, rather do good” credo. Also with entertainment retail deleted from north and west there became a panic need to cram everything into Coney East and hardly any room is left for outdoor rides or legitimate, spectacular indoor amusements.
· There is still no developer nor major tenant involved in this project who understands how the amusement industry works. Therefore Joe and Dominic believe the misinformation or outright lie that rides do not make money… that state of the art “year round amusements” are hardly tourist attractions, rather bland cinemas and bowling alleys and Dave and Busters and entertainment retail. Yes, they “own the land” but the amusement industry “owns the zoning”.
· So I decided I owe you one and want to try and AGREE with your EDC/CIDC goals of indoor, year round amusements but I wanted to get away from the misinformation/lie that dismissed the amusement industry based on current Coney Island. It is so DISRESPECTFUL of 100 years of New York City history. I wanted to get away from Astroland and Ruby’s etc. and go to Orlando a place where EVERYONE knows that rides make big money and where amusements operate indoors year round. I worry that the current plan is no more then a 2/3rds landgrab for condos which might no longer be viable in this recession/mortgage crisis and that Coney East will end up a nice mall for South Brooklyn fronted by a small Nelly Bly sized amusement park.
· Orlando as we ALL KNOW draws tourists from around the world as an amusement destination. Paris has a success in EuroDisney and major new parks are currently being built in Dubai and China, etc. Mayor Bloomberg himself has praised tourism as a very important industry to NYC in the 21st century and Coney Island is a name brand that if revitalized can be a major jewel for Brooklyn and the big apple. I will be patient and supportive of redevelopment of Coney if we are truly working on a world class 21st century tourist attraction but will never put my name on any plan that harms the amusement park in favor of condos and malls. I do not agree with fear-mongering that claims to know who the next mayor and boro president and councilman will be and how they will vote so I do not agree that at all costs we must let the city do over-compromised planning just so we can buy the 9 acres. I want the right kind of development or doing no rezoning is better then doing very bad rezoning.
· The appeal of Coney East must be a PEDESTRIAN fantasy land whether you call it the Magic Kingdom, whatever. It must have a half dozen MAJOR attractions that pull in the tourists and that is not cinemas and bowling and Dave and Busters. The high rise hotels and time shares (which I support) want to look down on BOTH the ocean/beach as well as the FANTASY architecture. If the hotel rooms look out on mallish buildings and other hotels and condos you are not building a tourist destination.
· How Orlando works: First of all off-site parking which means the fantasy is a pedestrian experience and tourists are committing a full-day or weekend to the experience. There is a fun, innovative people mover. The hotels and resorts are on the periphery and the fantasylands are at the core. Within the core each major attraction has an attached giftshop and there are many opportunities for dining, adjacent rides, major theme restaurants and games. Between the resorts and the fantasy are areas with entertainment retail as well as the current trend in the amusement industry: adult :themed areas whose primetime hours are 10 pm to 2 am. DOWNTOWN DISNEY and Universal’s CITY WALK.
· INDOOR AMUSEMENTS are the MAJOR attraction of Orlando. The Haunted Mansion or Twilight Zone Hotel or new Simpson’s ride (opened 3 wks ago) or Spiderman or Men in Black or the Mummy are ALL INDOORS and all could operate year round in Coney Island even in February with snow on the ground given covered walkways. Each park in Orlando has a Broadway scale live show be it Cirque de Soleil or Blue Man Group; also indoors. These tend to be STAND ALONE structures with fantasy architecture and building heights and needs peculiar to the ride itself. They cannot and do not fit within the cookie cutter mold or a standard shopping mall box development. Major moneymaking auxiliary rides and food and souvenir stands cluster in themes such as NYC streetscape or San Francisco wharfs or Hollywood Blvd. and are DESTINATION AREAS that have the tourists walking back and forth through the entire fantasy park. The major attractions often have wait lines of an hour or more and the clusters and bldgs. are designed for such lines. To take in a half dozen of these clusters results in a full day of activity.
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Re: Dick Zigun's State of Coney Island Notes
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· Current plan puts the year round “indoor” amusements within a mall like infrastructure that work against industry needs. The brand new Simpsons ride, for instance is a 6 story bldg. that is a cross between Imax theater and a planetarium. It has a 6 story domed screen.
· There is a trend for AUTHENTICITY not stucco or plastic. Both Disney and Universal now spend millions creating buildings that are INDENTICAL to 100 year old buildings in cities of USA. Disney’s HOUSE OF BLUES broke the mold and it was controversial but wonderful that Disney allowed authentic RUST on their water tower. Universal’s LOMBARD restaurant is authentic USED brick including mismatched PATCHES, real steel with rivets and real floor tiles. Disney’s Boardwalk Resort is a tribute to old Coney Island ironic that they are spending millions recreating what we are about to demolish. Disney would never demo Henderson’s or Nathan’s or Shore Theater but would rehab and even move these bldgs for their authenticity and history.
· So, how could I work with EDC/CIDC to alter the plan so that I could put my name back on it? First of all we must take another look at Coney North and West ESPECIALLY in light of the current condo mortgage crisis. Return the entertainment retail to the ground floor over all of Surf Avenue and all of Boardwalk right up to Child’s. Hotels and time shares should be redirected to Taconic’s property.
· South of Surf between Keyspan and Cyclone must ALL look a fantasy. Even if we go tall it must be Vegas innovative architecture with zoning that requires architectural neon or outline lights or Times Sq. signage. Indoor amusements must be in flexible clusters and not a mega-mall unistructure. To block landmarks like the Wonderwheel is just plain wrong and to defend your view corridors is to admit that you are building way too tall for such fantasy. We need real anchor tenants to talk to and not just movies and bowling and Dave and Busters which is not doing so well in its current business report.
· Aquarium/Amphitheater is CLUSTER ONE. These are both family attractions that service in/out but LONG HOUR customers. We need Marty’s amphitheater and still need a perimeter redesign that should include a large parking garage that earns the Aquarium money. Such garage would have a fun people mover station on the ground floor.
· Keyspan/Steeplechase Plaza is CLUSTER TWO. An innovative city could find common ground with Bullard via recreating the Pavillion of Fun as an INDOOR amusement park and rebuilding Bullard’s Thunderbolt . This CLUSTER TWO would be themed NOSTALGIA. After all it includes baseball and the Parachute Jump and the B&B Carousell and a fountain and a restaurants and an amphitheater courtesy Steeplechase Plaza.If Disney were in on this project they would MOVE historic buildings like Henderson’s or the bank building to add more authenticity to the NOSTALGIC cluster.
· If zoning FAR were to PROTECT Nathan’s and Shore Theater and if Shore were turned over to Big Apple Circus or Cirque de Soile that would be a world class major asset for CLUSTER THREE. Taconic is currently working with our real estate consultants Denham Wolf on an arts center in the Bronx and The Shore’s offices could be performing arts companies that share the Ballroom on the top floor and occasionally have use of the Broadway sized theater below. CLUSTER THREE would probably include ALL of Surf Avenue, all of Stillwell and most of the Bowery. This is our year round indoor 10 pm – 2 am primetime bars and clubs and movie theaters and bowling alleys and entertainment retail.
· CLUSTER FOUR: WonderWheel dominated KIDDIE park?
· CLUSTER FIVE: EXTREME stuff like indoor laser tag… the CYCLONE roller coaster and right opposite it the loading platform for the new looping steel coaster?
· Please clarify if the parkland purchase is 9?-11?-15? acres for OUTDOOR rides or does that acrage include buildings along the Boardwalk and the set-backs being discussed? A commitment to 15 outdoor acres need not be the prior “promised” 15 acres. Remember, EDC and Bullard could collaborate on world-class indoor/outdoor amusements instead of current plans between 15th and 16th streets.
Finally, a serious commitment to off-site parking with some kind of people mover housed in the base of these parking garages. Once you bring traffic below Neptune Avenue there is a street lane reduction of six lanes to two. Six lanes to two! The solution is to purchase the cement factory at Cropsey and Hart Place for a massive parking garage with a fun people mover station at its base. The site already has a small marina and is perfect for landing ferries gently harbored from big ocean waves
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